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Soetoro's Certification of Live Birth IS NOT Valid & NEVER Accepted by Hawaii

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« on: January 23, 2011, 02:11:47 pm »

State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid
http://ngoldfarb.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/state-of-hawaii-says-obama-birth-certificate-not-valid/
 May 15, 2009

Factcheck.org, the “unbiased” truth seeker that has published Obama’s Certification of Live Birth that they say proves Obama was born in America, in “truth” is operated by the totally biased Annenberg Foundation that gave Obama and Bill Ayres $110 million to spend on improving education. But Obama and Ayres actually spent the $110 million teaching Chicago kids to vote for his sponsor Mayor Daley. The Annenberg Foundation did a follow up study that proved Obama and Ayres did not improve educational test scores by any amount.

Want proof of Annenberg’s bias and dishonesty?  Annenberg’s factcheck.org says that Ayres and Obama did not do know each other then!! Even though the Annenberg Foundation knows that Bill Ayres founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (or “CAC”) and hired Obama to be its President for five years, all documented by the Corporate Minutes of the CAC that U. of Illinios Prof. William Ayres  donated to the archives section of the University of Illinois Library at its Chicago campus.   Ie., this is not web chatter, it is documented in the University of Illinois Library Archives!!  Commenters are calling me a liar. Go to Chicago and read it yourself!  Annenberg certainly knows the name of the President of a group to which it gave $110 million, and that name is Barack Obama! So Annenberg has proved, with its own contradictory published statements, that Annenberg and its website factcheck.org tell lies to benefit Obama, and that its own website factcheck.org publishes lies.

Back to the Obama/Factcheck.org “Certificate of Live Birth.”

Hawaii’s official birth certificate is the “Certificate of Live Birth” which is different from the “Certification of Live Birth”. Changing the “e” to “ion” is all the difference in the world. Obama and factcheck.org only publish the “ion” version, which is merely a computer printout, and not a birth certificate. How else are they different? Read and weep.

Annenberg’s factcheck.org continues to publish, even today,  Obama “Certification of Live Birth,” and Annenberg claims falsely that this proves Obama was born in the USA.

Annenberg’s corrupt factcheck,org published thousands of words about this but never once says that their document id the “ion” version, not the genuine “e” version. The most tragically comic statements on the corrupt factcheck.org is they quote people who “have seen” the “e” version.

Golly, Molly, if people “have seen” it,  why won’t Obama produce it?

Only one answer: it doesn’t exist. You would think by now, after he has been President so long, the FBI could have cooked up a good forgery for him? Don’t worry, eventually some liberal progressive totalitarian creep will forge one, but the fact that they went so long without producing it proves that no valid birth certificatE ever existed or they would have produced it.

Here is what the State of Hawaii’s official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: “The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.

     The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

     The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“ [Emphasis Mine].

     The bottom line is that the Certification of Live Birth can be erroneous. It has been reported that it was not uncommon for foreigners residing in Hawaii to bring their infant children to the Clerk of the Court, swear they were born in Hawaii and have actual Certificates of Live Birth issued to their children.

    It has even been reported that foreigners residing in Hawaii, in some cases, produced birth certificates from foreign countries and the State of Hawaii still issued Hawaiian Certificates of Live Birth to the infants in question.
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 02:12:34 pm »

The only way to know for sure if Barry Soetoro was eligable to be president is if he produced his birth certificate. The certification of live birth is not sufficient as proof. Besides, it was never accepted by the State of Hawaii to begin with.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/05/obamas-certification-of-live-birth-form.html

Look closely at the lower left-hand corner of these certificates. Obama's says "Date filed by Registrar" instead of "Date Accepted by State Registrar".



I also saw in Hawaii's statutes that foreigners can get a Hawaii certification of live birth which I am trying to find back again.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 02:13:24 pm »

To further show that a Certification of Live Birth isn't valid proof of being natural born, the Hawaii Statutes say that foreign born can get such a certificate as long as they was a residence of Hawaii for one year.



Birth Certificate Vs. Certification Of Live Birth
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/birth-certificate-vs-certification-of-live-birth/
July 17, 2009 · carl

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Pay close attention to the following Hawaiian legal statute:

[§338-17.8]  Certificates for children born out of State.
(a)  Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b)  Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate.  The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c)  The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”

Everybody get that?

As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued.

The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, Kenya, or a back-alley in Budapest.



Yup, it's right there, foreign born can get certificates as long as they have resided in the state for at least one year:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2008/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2011, 02:15:55 pm »

Quote from: Dig     http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=188285.msg1117366#msg1117366

ISLAND OF BIRTH...




County of birth is cropped out to show the comparisons with the other certificates, here is the full certificate:




Notice again on the full copy above it shows "date filed". The certificate was ONLY filed with the State of Hawaii. If the state accepted the certificate as truthful and factual, the certificate would have the "Date accepted" on it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 02:21:16 pm »

Bwaaahahaha!



Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" - Date Accepted vs. Date Filed (Some clues)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304917/posts
DecaLogos ^ | February 8, 2009 | Mike C (Comment Section)

Posted on Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:25:00 PM by trueamerica

On the Decosta COLB (which no one alleges is a fake,) every field header matches that of the Obama COLB except for one. On hers it says : Date ACCEPTED By State Registrar. On Obamas it says Date FILED By Registrar (Notice not the state registrar, this would be the local one ). Two different things. Either that field header is forged in Obamas ( they are from the same form - OHSM 1.1 Revised (11/01) ) or it means his registration was FILED at that date BUT was not ACCEPTED. If you look at the long form copy of the birth certificate available online from 1963, Field 20 says : Date Accepted by Local Registrar. Field 22 says Date Accepted by Registrar General ( which is the State Registrar ).A change from accepted to filed are significant enough linguistic changes that a different form would have to be created. Legally, accepted and filed are two very different things. So both these phrase were used on the form depending on the circumstances.

This section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes explains why that would be used:

Sec 338-16 ( late registration defined ) d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or “when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.”

So, something entered on the long form was not verifiable and thus, it was not approved by the state.
So assuming his online COLB is not fake ( or the forgers were just too incompetent to notice they put in the wrong field header ), all you have with his online COLB is a FILING, not an ACCEPTED certificate

Could this be what he is hiding?
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2011, 02:31:11 pm »

FLASHBACK: 

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

Source: Associated Press

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